The Power of Identity: Awakening Your True Self with Dorinda Trick

In Today's episode meet Dorinda Trick, a seasoned professional counselor who experienced a life-altering transformation after two decades in the field. She's not your average author, teacher, and speaker. She  imparts the divine revelations she and others have received regarding redemptive design, offering answers to pressing cultural questions. Get ready to embark on a journey of self-discovery with a twist, guided by a remarkable woman who's undergone an extraordinary transformation.

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But one of the big takeaways again of what I do is I teach people to know that the spirit and the soul are different, and it's really only in a person's spirit where God puts the divine purpose for their life. So, you know, because God puts it in the spirit of every person, every human being, whether or not they accept Christ, that purpose is still going to try to find its fulfillment so that even a person who, again, is not a believer in Christ, Welcome to the Penned by Design Podcast. I'm your humble host, Destiny Jordan. And here on this podcast we delve into the craft of writing, publishing and tips and strategies of being a creative entrepreneur. So let's get started. Everyone, welcome to Penn by Design. Today's guest I have here is the illustrious Dorinda Trick is a seasoned professional counselor who's experienced a life altering transformation after two decades in the field. Is not your average author, teacher or speaker. Dorinda's mission is to spark your inner fire, inspire and enlighten you on the concepts of the mind design and personal identity In God. She's driven by a belief that countless individuals, regardless of their religious affirmations, remain unaware of God's priorities for their lives and in a new, unique way they've been crafted. It really is the reality. Part of the divine revelation she and others have received regarding redemptive design, offering answers to pressing cultural questions. So today, get ready for it to embark on a journey of self-discovery with a twist guided by a remarkable woman who's undergone extraordinary transformation. My trouble goes humbleness. Dear, You introduced Mr. Render Tree. How are you there in the very destiny? It's so good to be here today. This is a really so it's a little bit of a surprise to me how excited my spirit is. I'm really excited to have this chance today. I'm glad you're so glad you give me the schedule. I'm glad you're here. And so let's go ahead and jump into the questions here. Yeah. So use one of your first books is Opening the Gift, which. Yes, write me to love to go back and look at it. It's been almost ten years, like I told you. That's right. And that this is my first encounter with Mr.. And that this book you're doing a class our our church. And I just happened to be there and just sitting and listening to just the knowledge of people really understanding how their gift works and how that influences even your personality and how your personality is not a mistake. You know, although many of us struggle with that, that's why this is so good. It kind of puts some of that to rest. It really does. So biggest question. Yeah. After counseling, what made you write Opening the Gift of All Things? Yeah, I love to tell this story. So here's the story. So it was 2007 and I actually had had some some issues in a relationship and a friend of mine said, check out this guy. He's written some things you ought to check out. So my husband bought a DVD and it was a four part for separate DVDs, but they were all connected. It was called the Basic Seminar on Nurturing the Human Spirit. And I don't know, I just, you know, he bought it. So I thought, Well, I'll have some time. So I sat down alone at home one afternoon. It was like October 27. So it's been 16 years or so. Anyway, I started watching and immediately I was impacted. I mean, it was just it was stunning and the big the big thing, the big was that he was ministering to people's spirits directly. He was teaching a lot of stuff. And then he had a couple of demonstrations. And so one of the things we understand is that your spirit and we'll talk more about it, I'm sure, before we're done, your spirit is the part of you that so, so deep inside. And so if someone is speaking to, say, my spirit, if you're there, your own spirit is going to respond to whatever the words are. So even though I was watching a DVD and this blessing was being given one man to another, my own spirit received the blessing and the blessing essentially as well. There's a lot of different things that can be a blessing, but when you use the word of God to bless somebody's spirit, they can receive a tremendous healing. They can receive a tremendous, you know, increase in strength and a sense of God's love and just all kinds of things. So I just I heard the blessing and I burst into tears and I couldn't get enough of what this fellow had written about the human spirit. So I just started buying the stuff and reading it and writing it out and that kind of thing. And and then what happened is my own spirit began to grow. I didn't even really know. I mean, if somebody had said, Do you have a spirit out? I said, Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. But if they had said, you know, what about your soul and spirit? But they the same, then I would have been like, Well, yeah, yeah, But one of the big takeaways again of what I do is I teach people to know that the spirit and the soul are different, and it's really only in a person's spirit where God puts the divine purpose for their life. So, you know, because God puts it in the spirit of every person, every human being, whether or not they accept Christ, that purpose is still going to try to find its fulfillment so that even a person who, again, is not a believer in Christ, it's they're made a certain way. They're going to be attracted to certain things because that's just God's DNA in that human being. The best thing, of course, is when we're redeemed, we've accepted salvation in Christ. So then that spiritual identity and purpose come, you know, God can do what he wants to do through us because we have a relationship with him. So I just was watching the DVD and I got blessed and I got excited and my spirit had never received a blessing ever. And I was 47 years old. wow. I mean, that's less mind blowing. And also just really good to hear because kind of like you're never too late. That's right. That's a good point to make. Absolutely. I was really looking for the exit ramp when it came to being a professional counselor. I was getting weary. I would like to say my spirit was getting weary of it, of the traditional approach. And what I've come to understand is that the traditional counseling, even the traditional Christian counselors, I was a Christian counselor by that time, but many times completely ignores the reality of a person having a spirit in them, which is the part of them that God made to witness to the truth. I mean, you know, a lot of people come to counseling because they're having a lot of emotional issues. I mean, I was I was one myself. So if you're having a lot of emotional issues, you you're going to benefit by having somebody speak to your spirit, because your spirit has been made primarily witness to the truth, not emotions. So I had shame in my spirit and I didn't know it. The reason I had the shame was because, you know, I was at the altar when my mom and dad said I do. And when I grew up a little bit. And I asked my mom, you know, about it, because I did the math and the math didn't work out. My mom was, you know, very. honey, you know, I'm not your dad. And we love each other. We would have married anyway. I mean, they've been married now 65 years, so, you know, it wasn't about that. But she did not communicate to me that God willed me into existence. And so I got her reassurance. But I didn't get the truth. I got a partial truth. I mean, I would say that, you know, mom and dad loved each other. That's and that's good. I mean, we hope our parents are going to love each other and stay together and all that. But what I needed and what we all need in the deepest part of us, our spirit is actually the truth, which is God. And we always want to bring God into the equation. But, you know, that didn't happen for me. So the opposite of that is shame. And I had this shame deep down inside me. That's why that day I was at home watching those DVDs. I burst into tears because some shame kind of exploded in my life. Not all of it. There were still some I had to work through, but there was a big hunk of shame. It was like an IED just went right into it, just exploded it. And I just burst into tears because I heard in the blessing I was listening to that day, the statement God willed you into existence was made. And, you know, I had never gotten that memo. I'd never gotten that memo. And it's important. We all need to know that the reason we are here is because God willed us into being. Yeah. So that was the question is what made me start writing opening the gift? Well, I received that blessing and I knew nobody knew about this. And I was very excited about it. And I was ready to start doing the regular kind of traditional counseling. So I did. And I started ministry. And, you know, the rest is kind of history, one that's like one of meetings to 20 years. This is a long time. It's usually like one of those like lifetime. It was like, that's what you do. The rest of your life will be the pivot that asks a lot of courage to do that. I think. I mean, I can't take all the credit again, I was really getting burned out as a counselor and just another sort of story sideline is my my husband had a previous marriage. He had a couple of children. One of the children got very, very sick right after I watched that DVD just a few months later. And so we because once I started, you know, believing the sayings, I share them with my husband, we understood, too. This is a huge thing to understand about the human spirit, is that in order to live to to wake up and want to live every day of your life, your spirit really has to want to live. We don't I mean, I'm sure you have these you're aware of people that if they give up the will to live, they don't live very long. But that really is something that comes from your spirit. And so what happened with his daughter was she got very, very sick and she lived in Indiana. So we suddenly had to go to Indiana. We had to live in a hotel for a month. And we went right to her bedside and started blessing her spirit with identity and legitimacy. It comes straight out of the word of God. Psalm 139 The blessing is composed out of that and that Scripture. And we just started doing it. She was in a in a coma. And we we knew, though, her spirit could hear. I mean, even your spirit doesn't have to have your body. So we just started in a blessing her spirit. And we after she came out of the coma and she was able to go home and she lived for four years and, you know, we firmly believe that ministry to her spirit, we you know, we just said, hey, Spirit, you know, you got to get up and you got to get this train back on the track. And so we believe that's what helped her to survive her cancer and then to even go back home. And she had two small kids. I mean, you know, she went back home, she drove carpool pool and did laundry and groceries and cooked me. I mean, she she went right back into being a mother. I mean, she had a very strong spirit. She because she wanted to get back to her home. Right. So when bad stuff happens, you know, we can get really messed up emotionally. But if if if we've been able to connect with our spirit, God wants us to be able to rise above the emotions. It's not easy. You know, It's nice that God made that part of you to be really strong. Man. I'm saying notes over here because you can rise, Larry. People from you can rise above your emotions when it seems like right now we have quite an emotional culture right now. Why did we do it? Listen, when I was in my twenties, if somebody had said to me, you can rise of Abby, like, get out of my face, I mean, really? So I think, you know, we have to be really gentle and careful and respectful with people because we all can struggle with emotions. The real story for me was when I was 31, I thought I was going to get married to a certain guy and he he was not mean to me. He was not cruel. But he just said to me firmly, Dorinda, you know, if you're looking for a commitment, you need to look elsewhere. So but I was 31 then and, you know, I was really I put all my eggs in that basket and that didn't work. And then I started a new job in Birmingham Children's Hospital, and I thought it was going to make my career. And I got in there and it was just a total train wreck clinic. I had gotten the job. It was just completely out of control. So a couple huge losses for me, really. And we know our times when we go through loss, you know, that that really takes a toll on us. So I had a suicidal thought. I was it was December of 1991 and I did not know the Lord. I did not know the word of God. I didn't know any of that. I went to church every now and then. I grew up in the Methodist church. I dropped off the church, you know, but I didn't. I didn't I mean, I didn't really think God was re Anyway, he was real, but I didn't really think he was real in our life. That's right. And so I had that thought and it shocked me that I would have a thought like that. But I would think that. And then just like that, I heard deep down inside me two words choose life and later I learned it was from Deuteronomy. I mean, it's like a famous passage of scripture choose life, you know, or choose live, choose blessings, or Anyway, I heard it and it was like it was almost like a rope around my ankle. It just sort of jerked me out of that fog and I was able to, you know, pick up the phone and make an appointment and get some medicine and go to a counselor. I learned that my nervous system was just I mean, I probably been depressed even as a child. And so I've been carrying a bunch of stuff for a long time. I've gone to counselors, but, you know, there's just some stuff I needed to work through. And my nervous system physically nervous system, was just shocked, you know? And I think when you it's not like, you know, God wants us to be strong and he gives us so an ability to deal with a lot of stuff. But then there's a certain point where we, you know, we kind of tip over because our ability to to cope is always so big. I mean, some of us have a bigger ability to cope than others. I think God coped too long to I'm 31, so I mean, you know, I had done a lot, but it was just like it took just a couple of things. It was, Does that make sense? That makes sense, yeah. But this just makes it where. Anyway, I heard she's like in my spirit. So that's why I wrote the book. I got so excited because I was like, my gosh, now I know what happened to me. I mean, when I was 47 and I received the blessing, I didn't know on that day what had happened to me when I was 31, 16 years earlier, when I was 31, C was the day, you know, the Lord put his word down in my spirit and I was able to stop thinking about being dead. Okay, that's huge. And I mean, that's something we need to help people. We need to connect people with their spirits because if they can develop that spirit of theirs, I mean, again, the God is mercy and grace. Even if your spirit is like the size stick figure, which man was. He gave me grace and he gave me I mean, my soul was like a sumo wrestler, right? And I mean, don't tell me anything. I know everything. You know I'm in charge. But, you know, later, after I started learning that I was made in three parts. And this part was the part, you know, that God had, you know, wanted me to live my life live. But then I was like, wait a minute. In the Lord started re constructing my life. He, like, took me back and said, Well, I see this is what I did for you. And this is why it worked on that day in 1991. So that's why I'm this this message is really important for people to get. They don't have to be Christians to for us to nurture their spirits, although the best nurture, of course, will come from God. But you can just say to people, you can look in their eyes, because that's really how you connect with people in their spirit. You can look in their eyes. You don't even have to say anything out loud. You can just say, you know, Jesus loves you. And maybe it's the same checker at the grocery store that you see all the time. And you can tell they're just really not in a good place. And you just keep putting the love of God from your eyes to their eyes and, you know, let God be God. He wants everybody. He don't want anybody to perish. His Some nights are a whole lot, you know. So that's true. God through. Yeah. So from this idea after receiving the blessing. Yes. Getting this list. How do we how to come together. Yes. Well, two main things. Two main things. I began to study about the gifts of the spirit, the ones that are in your spirit. There's seven of them. They're called redemptive gifts. And I started to study them, and I started realizing that there was no real handbook that you could go to and easily like, you know, take the test to find out what your redemptive gifts, spiritual identity is you and then then go back and read about it. So I thought, Well, I need to do that. So that's how I did it. And yeah, that's how come I did it. I just I just knew I needed to tell my story, which is at the front of the book, and then I needed to close the blessings that I heard that just was so powerful and really began to move me in this direction. And then I needed to help people understand what these seven different gifts are. There's seven of them. It's Romans 12 six, right? So and, you know, I had a few different resources that I pulled from, but I tried to I tried to make it pretty simple, I think is pretty easy to read. I tried to write it for a person who might not even be Christian. Right. Because I know God's heart is to draw those people to himself. And that if they could read this and then be like, Wow, Well, that's true. That's true, that's true, That's true. Then they might consider a relationship with God, you know, because a lot of people struggle with this man. I know. Identity business. That's a real thing. Yeah. And that was kind of one of my big my light bulb moments when I listen, I think my narrative with that story. So I was like, okay. But then the result I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, Wow, that makes it like someone actually knows what's going on here with you, you mean? Well, I was like, Yeah, reading it out. And it's just easy to see with with the guy, right? How is right now for you? That's what I hope. And I hope too, that it does a couple more things. One, it it helps you make sense of your life because a lot of times because we don't know for sure who we are, we keep comparing ourselves and, you know, we never we never do well with that. Right. And so a lot of people struggle with feeling guilty about themselves. And why am I not more like someone so lovable and what I always say is the devil barely has to put his pinky toe in because we're already all gummed up trying to figure out why we're not more like mom. And, you know, but we're not. And and so that was huge for me, because I'm a prophet, which means I'm a little bit more of a loner. And as a woman in our culture that, you know, most most of our culture in the women's arena is about being kind of all up under all these other women. And I never had felt drawn to that and never have wanted that. And so, I mean, you saw me in a circle situation recently. I'm polite enough, but I don't I'm not I'm more of a one on one kind of person, Right? I'm not much of a small talk kind of. So again, those are just characteristics of that DNA of God in this. God expect me to be friendly and nice people. Absolutely. Yes. But I'm able to do it better now that I have accepted who him. Right. Instead of constantly like I'm in my head. Well, I'm not more like so-and-so. Right. Right. And that really just kind of cuts down because I've heard that compares is the life of joy. Because you're not never satisfied with yourself. And that's what you have right? You can't exactly escape yourself. Right. Right. And so one day I want to delve into is, So how did you publish your book? How did that come about of getting out there into the world? Thank you, Farai. Yeah, well, I made some notes so I wouldn't miss anything. But what I did was I self-published now in 2014. Well, I'm sure Amazon was already doing this sort of thing. I had not I didn't know anything about it, but I found out about it and I was very glad. So I found well, we had some friends and he had he had what is called an imprint, Right. So an imprint. He he connected me with an editor and was a graphic designer. And he gave me or gave me he sold to me an ISBN. You know, the ISBN is the international Book number everybody has to have. So I bought that ISBN from him. I contracted with him for the work that needed to be done. And so then I had his imprint on those first few books. I'm not working with him anymore, but I still work with one of the editors, one of the women, one woman, again, a graphic designer of the other an editor. And the way I write is maybe a little different from other people. Oftentimes people say, we do. You have an outline, or My husband is always telling me I need to because I'm writing now again. And he said to Brenda, I get frustrated. He goes, Brenda, you need an outline. Well, I don't write that. The way that I write this is actually toward the end of our interview, but I'll go and throw it out now is I just get very quiet. I turn off all the distractions, write a turn off from the TV. I mean, I get very, very quiet, turned to do not disturb on my phone. And I just sit and I receive. Right. And I have learned to trust what I hear. And and we all have a process. That's my process. The the book I'm writing now is about mental health and Christians. And I started it, and then I shared some of it with my husband and I got some feedback that told me that's really not maybe the best way to begin. And I trusted. I trust the Lord speaks through him. So I just, you know, threw it away and started again. And as it turns out, the book is going to be more like an autobiography. And I had not thought about it being an autobiography, which makes it in some ways easier to write. Well, I think I was going in a different a little bit different direction in the beginning. So now God has sort of redirected me and I just write, I just write. I don't sometimes I'll put together a table of contents and sometimes I don't. Sometimes it comes later because, you know, I pull it out of what I've already written. So that's how I've published. And I just, you know, send it to the editor and she does all of the she makes it Amazon compliant. She knows how to do that, and I pay her to do that. So I didn't do. But but a person can do it. It doesn't have to be an additional expense. It's it's it's relatively easy as I understand it to do. She does it she says it's pretty easy. So. Well well actually one I enjoy that kind of like you just kind of have your own process and that's okay. You kind of get other people to help. You kind of come along their strength, where you stay in your lane and give it to other people that can help you along the way. Right? Because I'm totally different. I'm like, you know what? I'm learning how to do it, and then I'll sleep it off. Things that I may not do, like, I'll give my book to a editor like which you always should, because you can't read your book so much because you just you don't see things anymore. That's true. That's that's true. You write and Ryan, right? You think is golden and you just. Miss Tapia. That's right. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Now, you definitely need the objectivity of someone. I mean, you don't have to be a professional editor necessarily. I mean, you know, it can be someone that, you know, you certainly they know they have your heart. No, she doesn't necessarily have my heart, but she does recognize how important the work is. And it's and it's an important message. You know, it's a nonfiction message. She's she's actually a fiction writer herself. When she publishes other people, she does their work. And a lot of you know, I don't know the percentages, but, you know, I am a nonfiction writer. I'm not writing a novel. I'm not writing a story, you know, And so it's a little bit different. But yeah, you could get anybody that was someone you trusted who you felt like was smart, you know, smart. And and, you know, they write well, you know, and they can look it over for you. I had a friend do that. He lives out in Portland and he in the very beginning of this book, he submitted some things to him. He had written some a time long spiritual warfare. And so, you know, he read some of it and he helped me understand how to write about shame. And I've never forgotten that I continue to teach about shame the same way that Tom, my friend Tom, taught me about shame because he was a minister. So he he knew some things I didn't know, Right. Don't be afraid to use, you know, because there's reasons that people are in our lives. And, you know, you can ask the Lord to show you, you know, who who is it you want me to receive from here? You know, when you want me to bring to the table, so to speak, about this? I think you can do that. I might, but. QUESTION So when you have like I know you got your book on a kind of a rough draft, how did you disseminate kind of given out your book to get more feedback from? Was it mainly kind of family members or did you try to branch out a little bit past them? I did not do it with family. Many of my family are not believers. I have really used my husband primarily and then my editor. Yeah. To give me the feedback. Yeah. that's not true. I can. I'm sorry. I started teaching what I wrote before I published it, so I would write a chapter, staple it and, you know, make copies and handed out. I just thought of that. It's been so long. So the women in my class, there were 12 of us. I thought that was totally cool. There were 12 of us, like 12 disciples. And we sat around the conference table in my husband's office on some night of the week. I can't remember what nine was and and that's how we did it. I forgot about that. So yeah, as I wrote it and shared it before I published it, teaching it, I'm sure helped me refine it some. Again, it's been so long that I don't really remember the details, but I'm pretty perfection is stick in the writing department. So even in the last couple of books I've done, the editor doesn't have a whole lot to do. Her main role is formatting. It's not content, but I did have content like I presented. You know, there were 12 women that got a shot at my content, you know, as I was writing that book and it was weekly, we had the class every week. Yeah, that's pretty quick. That was, you know, you know how life is like. I didn't realize I was in that process until much later, you know? And then I realized, my gosh, you notes, I'm writing this thing and these people are giving me feedback some. But honestly, the Lord really did a lot of the writing destiny because I didn't get any major changes on anything. So that's amazing. Like it it that's I mean, it's just a miracle is the Lord because I was the one who my publisher actually said, Dorinda, you're going to write books. He ended up again being my publisher initially. And I said, No, I'm not new. I'm not. I said, I never even wanted to write a paper in high school or college. I hated it. And he said, No, no, you have books in you. So listen, you need to listen to the Prophet. They speak after you read through. And how has your book updated opportunities for you? Well, now books that this girl having a book, when you write a book, you become there's a certain legitimacy you get because now you have written a book and the opportunities where I got to speak at our church and twice. Yes, over a period of time. And I got an opportunity to teach at the church. And then I left the church because I didn't want I wanted to be you know, I didn't want to pick people to think about church when they saw me. I wanted to think about our people from other churches to be open to coming, right? So they gave me opportunities that way. It's given me I mean, some of this occurred before I ever published, but I was ministering to people that, you know, came into my life. Some of them I was state, you know. And what happens when you start really receiving from the Lord is you begin to build in your life, you begin to build wisdom, your wisdom begins to increase. And the power of the Holy Spirit wants to give you. Also, you begin to when I say increase in power, what I mean is you're really increasing in your authority. And so then the Lord will bring opportunities to you, to minister to people, because, you know, he's very careful with a psych. If you know he you're going to have to develop that authority by receiving his wisdom and doing the right thing with it. And just begin to do that. And so that gave me more opportunities to share this message. More on a one on one. Like I said earlier, that's kind of what so far the Lord has given me the opportunity to do a lot of one on one, a lot of one on one. I mean, I just if I even just a smell, just a whiff, I go for it, you know, And I, I just say, Hey, look, you know, can I minister to your spirit or I'd like to minister to your spirit. You know, someone that's close to you. Yes. And yes. And so I just go in and I do it and I've been doing it a while now, so I don't really think too much about it anymore. I just do it. And God builds my faith in the faith of the person through it. It's usually a ministry that no one's ever received before. A recently, someone that we both know the law said, you know, in an interesting it's been so many years we've known each other, but now we're just now doing this. And the Lord opened my mouth and the Lord gave me the answer right away. I said, Well, I said, Pain is what usually brings me into somebody's life. And when they're in pain of one kind or another, they need nurture from that part of them, their spirit, right to be able to get through it and to get whatever it is God has for them because he uses them, you know, I mean, nobody likes that and we don't want to go through it. But I even had the boldness to say to her, Don't hurry, don't rush your recovery here. And you know, she listened. And I said, because in this time of pain, God can do some things for you that once you start feeling better, you're on the other side of this. You know, life gets busy, busy, busy really quick, and the devil is involved to some extent. And he allows sometimes a lot of distraction to come. And we want to build up that spirit so that even when we're not in a lot of pain, we, you know, we shouldn't have to be in pain in order to connect spirit to spirit with God, right? He's always chasing after us no matter what. Did I answer your question? You did answer my question that you answer my question. Okay. My other question is, how do you kind of promote your book? Because I know you. Yeah, it's what you're teaching your speaking. So how do you promote your book? Just kind of keep people aware of your books. Now All right. You want to go to Facebook and type in my name, Darren Dittrich. You want to go to my website? It's during the record work. I'm on Instagram, Facebook, and I've got a team that, you know, they're posting things that have come out of the books and we've done some, you know, real time stuff, short, short videos. And that's really how I'm promoting. I haven't really been promoting until just the last six months, although during the pandemic, I went on Facebook regularly and I taught the three titles that I had published up until that time. Actually, all four of the titles I have sold books, so I felt very, very impressed by the Lord. You keep you keep it out there. Keep it out there, because, you know, the live classes have gotten shut down with that. But I'm back doing lab classes now, so I promote through word of mouth. But we want to go beyond Jerusalem, right? We really we really do. God's, I think being very careful with me, I don't know that this is going to connect to any kind of large audience at any one time, you know, like as a gathering of a lot. I don't know. We're going to promote through contact with local churches that we've identified we think are open to this type of message that the kind of church that I think would probably be a little more open would be a church that's more of a charismatic type stream, because we are talking about the spirit. And you have to be careful when you use that word, because mainline denominations particularly can be very you know, they don't the revelation in that kind of church or mainline denomination is typically more about Father God, the evangelicals. The revelation is usually more about Jesus Christ. The emphasis. And then in the charismatic stream or Pentecostal stream, there's more emphasis on Holy Spirit. So people who attend charismatic churches are usually a little bit more. They hear the word spirit and they don't freak out, right? So we don't want to spook people trying to be careful to, you know, with the message, because we know the enemy we know is trying to get in the way. He doesn't like it for people to find out who they really are. And that real identity belongs in your spirit. So he's you know, he's, of course, resisting, but God's creator. I think this is a message whose time has come because identity is just everywhere in culture now, in the narrative. It really is like, Who are you? What do you stand for? I think I think the hard part is that we do ask you like, who are you? The always and to fall back on what we do. But I'm a teacher. That's like, that's not the answer. I was like big. I really dig deep. Like, who are you? I know it. I know that that's that's a powerful point right there, because I grew before I came to the Lord, after I came to the Lord I should say, I noticed this custom in my family. And it's not really, you know, it's just what you said every time a person would be introduced to the family, the first question was, what do they do? You know, what do they do for a living? And then as soon as that was spoken, whatever that occupation was, that was their identity. That was what we attach the value to right away. No, that's not really true. I mean, that's not that's not God's way for sure. He doesn't love the doctors and the lawyers and the people that make more money than the ones. You know what I'm saying? I mean, it's crazy. So it really is. And when you really look at it, your book is really kind of a freeing point. Is that what you disconnect from what you do? You're left with who you are and that's where you really have to get formed up, like who you are. Like, what do you do? Like what? What is true? Who are you when no one else is watching? And it really brings knowing who you are, I felt brings brevity with because when you change careers now you're no longer that and now you're that late. Yeah, definitely. And a lot of people like, you know, what comes to my mind when I hear you say that is empty nesters, you know, women, particularly who have, you know, of course, they've made their life, their home and their children and raising them. And you know where I'm going, once the children are gone, oftentimes they they just don't know who they are anymore because their whole identity was wrapped up in their role. But we have to go beyond roles. When you learn who you are and your spirit, there are roles attached to the identity. But another big idea that I teach is that you must submit your gift to the Lord because He doesn't want us independent of him. He wants us very dependent on him. And when we're dependent, when whatever those easy strings are that he put in that DNA in us, you know, again, we can run out and do it. Also. Counselor, for many years I was not a believer, but because of my identity, my identity is called mercy and profit. It was a natural for me to go into counseling because prophets are truth tellers and mercies. Minister to wounded people. But I didn't know that. So what I guess I'm saying to you about design is it's sort of in some respects irrevocable. It's, you know, it's just going to have is going to have a an influence and a force that applies whether you're redeemed or not. But but so I in my easy strength for many years, once I came to the Lord and I started learning, I need to submit myself to God, will the counseling always went a lot better when I submitted to God. There were many times I still didn't because I was I was a baby Christian at four at 38. So was I had already been practicing many years with, you know, no interest at all. And depending on God, I actually I practiced ten years as a person, unredeemed, lost eight, and then ten. My final ten years. I was a Christian, a true Christian, but, you know, again, I had been doing it my whole life for many years, and that's not God's best. God allowed me to experience some problems because I would be to you know, I would be independent of him. I was you know, wisdom is what we need, whatever our gift is. And he is wisdom. And so very true. And now you really can touched on a lot of little point. The really big thing that I want you to explain is what are you redemptive gifts? God, yes. Overview what they would look like. God. There are seven redemptive gifts. They are in Scripture. It's Romans chapter 12 six through eight. They are the gifts that we receive from Father God. They are foundational. Think of it this way Your redemptive gift is your spiritual identity. It's it's it's a it's a bit it's a hard wiring that's down on the inside of you, deep inside you. And so it's sort of like you can think of it this way. It's like a grid through which. You see life. Life makes sense to you as you look at it through this particular grid, the redemptive gift. There's seven said that, and the first is profit. And there are many, many sevens that appear in Scripture. So you can go to the different groups of seven and to understand more about what the gift is about. For instance, the prophet is number one. So the first day of creation is it matches the prophet. Prophets are made to be visionaries and problem solvers. They are meant to be a very, very passionate for God's reputation. They will take up an offense on behalf of God. They despise phonies and people that are deceptive. They're very, very God gives them a gift to be able to pick up, you know, smell a phony like that. And they are very good at discerning hypocrisy in leadership. So that's the prophet. The prophet is day one of creation week. And we know on day one that this group, God said, let there be light. So when the prophet shows up, it's like, you know, a healthy prophet, a pretty, pretty healed prophet is going to be someone who comes in and kind of shines like the happy man and can make people feel pretty uncomfortable. Then there's the servant. That's the second gift. On that day of creation, air and water were created by God. So the servants are usually very low profile, invisible people. They like to meet other people's physical needs. They are they also are called to be prayer warriors at times, you know, they are supporting people that are in leadership, but they don't want attention. They are just there to support and provides, you know, support that way through prayer, meeting physical needs. The third gift is called Teacher. This was the day that all the seed bearing plants were by father. And so the seed in the teacher's life is the seed of truth. They're sort of like truth junkies. The teacher is a person who is going to make sure that things are true, and they are. That's their passion. That's their passion. They they can have a weakness in that. They're more in their brains than they are in their heart. And so when people like me come along and start talking about experiences with God, teachers sometimes will kind of push off from that because it doesn't feel valid to them. It to be scriptural, it needs to be doctrinal. I mean, in the past I've had a teacher come into my class, she's a student in my class, and she came in with her big, you know, concordance. And, you know, she was going to make sure that what I was saying was was right. And so that's the teacher or the seed is truth. The teachers are made to, you know, pass the truth, the fourth gift card exam order. And people at Billy Graham and Joyce Meyer and Joel Osteen and Robert Morris and just many, many of these people that we see on TV that are pastors and preachers, they are absorbers. They are made by God. Paul is an example of Jesus Christ. This was the gift he operated in, primarily because these people have very, very high platforms and not all of us, but some of them do. And they're able to bust through every barrier in life they can cross ethnic, racial, financial, gender, socioeconomic, everything they can. They can cross every boundary to love people back to God. They're made to open their hearts and then to love and back to God. Then you have the giver. That's number five. The day that the fish and the birds were made, it was the first day that God made life in the blood. So givers are people that are very help, help focus. They're usually very interested in doing things to be healthy. They are great networkers. It's hard to always know who the givers are because they are always doing like 15 things, but they're very, very diverse. They're very secure people. They're very independent people. I'm married to one. They're very like here and now focused. You know, if we have an argument on Sunday, no, don't mention it till Thursday. I've waited way too long because they're very in the in the present. They don't Yeah. They just they just don't hang out In the past. The next guest called Ruler. That's the day the human spirit was May. That is the day. Day number six, when God breathed life into the first human being Adam And so rulers, usually when you hear that word, you think, that's like a leader, or they are their leaders. They're really great at organizing. And so in a believer or not, they can do that. That's an easy strength for them without depending on God. But God's best for those type people is that they always put the nurture and the development of people first before getting a task done. Nehemiah is the example. These people have an amazing grace from God. They can get more done in less time than the rest of us. So if you have a project you want a ruler, you know to help you, they can, you know. Nehemiah They did the they rebuilt the wall of Jerusalem in 52 days, which is truly supernatural. But again, God knew what he had put on the inside of the Uma. The last gift is Mark my identity. It's called redemptive gift of mercy. We are considered the crown jewel of God's creation. That's because we parallel day seven of Creation week, and on that day God did not create anything new. He simply rested and blessed. And so we have a tremendous authority to bless time and to bless people up. I'm not about to call. Those are the seven redemptive gifts. Excuse me. I'm one of the one. Thank you so much for that. And that was like those right there after taking your 211 right after taking the home from the book. Here's the I did my teacher ruler which I think there's just polar opposite times. Well that can be yes but it tracks along and I still like those too, I guess weighing in. They decrease the increase at certain time. Right? Right. Your ruler is a very decisive part of God's nature in you. The teacher is not usually quite that decisive. They do tend to kind of hold back and make sure everything is in order and right and true for they are going to put themselves at risk. I love teachers. My father's a teacher, my brother's a teacher. My first pastor was a teacher. There. Very, very stable individuals. They are like and you know, Miss Giles, Ernestine Giles, she's real when she has a lot of teacher, when she comes in, she just calm spirit. Just, just calm. Salem good. Also, and I think I would say that is spot on because I just had experienced recently where I was like, you know what, I want to move. And that was kind of been my biggest thing for a couple of days. Like, I want to move, but I don't know where I'm going, so I'm just going to sit here. Yeah, that type of thing. Yeah. It wasn't until I had I went to a gospel conference and I felt I had confirmation of where I was going now. So you know what time ago then. But you really weren't looking for it. And just you got the revelation. There's something I was stewing on for almost, like, four months. Yeah, well, yeah, you can see how the teacher and the ruler really kind of be like sandpaper, because the rulers, like, let's make something happen, make something happen, right? And the teacher's like, well, I'm not putting my I'm not going to do some unless I know it's going to work. So if you're going to move in, whereas I hold on, that's too big of a thing to like, say, I'm going to jump off. That's right. Well, see, that's really good, because impulsivity is Can I just say it? I think it's more a trait or characteristic of your because we are impulsive when we start getting frustrated and bored and we're feeling a lot of feeling sometimes we're judge in ourselves, you know, we're like, well, I'm not. We're all to be. And we start putting this pressure on ourselves, and then that's when we can make hasty decisions, right? And boy, I mean, I talk about having the t shirt on, man. I mean, for years the prophets to prophets tend to be impulsive. And I would just, you know, I'm done here and I would just switch and then I'd be sorry for that. I'll try to put that keep that in check, that the more you nurture your spirit, the bigger it will be. That's actually you answer my question then. And that was really why is it really important for people to know and understand their spiritual? You? Yes. Yeah. Well, there's so many wonderful reasons. But the primary reason that you, the viewer, and you should know your redemptive gift, know your spiritual identity is it points you directly to the purpose for which you were born. Your call, you know, is the Christian expression. But people who watch this, I pray they'll be many people that, you know, I want to talk in a language they can understand, you know, you know, I mean, look, I was 47 when I came into an understanding. The beginning was just the beginning when I was 47 of what my true identity was. And as I said a few moments ago, as a professional counselor, when I learned that my spiritual identity was called mercy and profit, I mean, it was a no brainer. I had, without realizing it moved in the direction of God's DNA in me. That's because gut when God puts a DNA in a human being, they're going to be drawn to it. Whether again they are redeemed in Christ or not. But I'm not sure I know where I'm going now, but just that, yeah, you once you receive the validation, so to speak, this is really the true you to render. This is really the true huge destiny. Then you can lay some stuff down. I mean some stuff that you've been maybe battling with, you know, mainly, mainly within yourself. It's not like you've been talking about it that much with other people. Maybe a couple of people you know that you trust. You've talked with about these these issues because they're very personal. And, you know, our culture puts a lot of pressure on us to act like we've got it totally wrapped completely. You know, we got our act together all the time. That's why I think a lot of times for women, yeah, I'm older, but I say I feel like a lot of times I'm acting more like I'm 22 because my I've just been a slow bloomer, man. I'm just a late bloomer and slow, you know? But I'm not ashamed of it. I mean, now I realize God's redeemed, so much. My God. And they're all these younger people now in life. And I look back and like, Wow, look, we'll see if we can help you, you know, connect before you're 47 for sure. Right? help, Help a lot. And I know you talk a lot. Talk a lot about how, again, you're your you talk about the spirit and the soul and then you also. Yes. How to get your spirit to lead and how what how do you get your spirit to learn how to position your spirit to lead your soul in your body? Yes. Thank you for asking. And I just want to go look real quick at what I wrote down, because I did write a couple of notes down on that. I know that one of the chapter titles was called Positioning Your Spirit to Lead. I had to go back and look it up. Okay. The way that you position your spirit to lead, let me just back out for a moment and just say a couple of things to kind of bring us to the right starting point. First of all, you have a spirit and that is not the same as your soul. You need to buy that. That's what I'm selling and you have to buy that. If you're going to position yourself to lead by your spirit, you got to first believe you. You know you have one and it and that's scriptural for the believers. It's very important to know that's in the Scripture. First the slogans 523 and four Spirit, soul and body is spelled out there. But if you start paying attention to this, you maybe read some of our stuff or some other stuff related. You will notice that even in church that scripture is the most misquoted. Typically people say body, soul and spirit. Okay, there's nothing really wrong with that. It's just that that's not actually accurate. We are not made body, soul and spirit. We are made spirit first because our spirit exists in eternity with with God. And then that spirit, Father God, conceives it in his mind and decides what what he's going to put in that spirit. Then he releases our spirit into our mother's womb. So that's when our spirit enters the natural realm. But even then, you know, the beginning of our development, we are just a tiny little thing person inside our mother. So then the body develops. Once we are born, the soul and body develop, because the soul depends on the spirit. But in order to position your spirit to lead, you've got to you've got to find out what you've got to kind of put a sharper focus on your own spirit, find out what is the specific shape of your spirit. You know, it's not enough to show the spirit, you know, like it's just some, you know, jello, you know, I mean, you know, try to nail Jell-O to the wall. You cannot nail Jell-O to the wall. You've got to have, you know, again, God is a god of precision and specificity. We need to understand that. That's why as we grow up and become adults in God's kingdom, we need to pray specifically, we need to, you know, understand that we God is a God, a definition in you know, there's no there's nothing wrong with that. So anyway, we're to find out what the definition of our own spirit is. It was amazing to me when I began to come into an understanding of how God may be. So positioning our spirit to lead means, okay, well, anything that's been ignored and neglected or ignored and neglected and sometimes abused some folks spirits do get abused. I would have to say I was a person. Anyone who has suffered any sexual abuse and I'm one of unfortunately that category we if person is ever sexually abused, they are spiritually abused because it's truly a violation and a deep violation. So whatever has happened in your life, even if it's just that nobody ever acknowledged your spirit, I mean, why would that? They didn't even know it was any different from yourself. So you can't lead until you first acknowledge you've got a spirit. You've got to be like, okay, I believe this is true. And then you need to nurture your IT just like a baby. You want to you want to bless your spirit with the word of God and with truth. And you just you just speak somebody spirit. You just say, listen with your spirit to the word of God, right? And then you can go into whatever area you feel like the Lord's leading you to go. So you nurture like you're feeding a baby because your spirit is like, again, you heard me say a while back, your spirit is like a stick figure. Your soul is much bigger and used to run in your life. But God, God gives us a grace to grow our spirits fast once we make a decision to start doing it. I mean, again, I'm the example not saying I'm the example, but at 47 I was like, What? You know, my gosh, this is a memo I've been looking for all my life. So I really applaud fierce attention to it, blessing my spirit. There's a great book called Blessing Your Spirit by Arthur Burke and Sylvia Gunter. Again, the title, Blessing Your Spirit. I highly recommend it. I bought it. I started I was still counseling people. I was blessing their spirits every time I bless their spirits in a counseling session, my own spirit heard it. My spirit just started growing by leaps and bounds. So blessing the spirit and then receiving instruction to your spirit. That's what this book does. Really, truly. It's got a ton of instruction. And basically we're just saying, Hey, look, this is this is what, you know, this is what a person does. I like you, tends to think and tends to struggle with and tends to be great at, etc., etc.. You take what fits, throw away, what does it you know, nobody can tell you who you are with God and but God will come along. I believe he's used the book and that is how you position your spirit to lead. Well, that's just as Lord Jim's right there. A lot right there. It is so good to hear. Thank you. It's good to tell someone start to slow to develop their spirit. What was some practical way? Let's say someone heard this podcast today is he know what I want something practical that I can start doing maybe tomorrow or after I hear this, after I hear this podcast, what could they do? Yeah, well, now I am a little prejudiced because of the way I may. But the first thing is, is to take time out, okay? And to get a journal and to, you know, start small. I learned this when I was a counselor. You know, sometimes I would help people do difficult things. Like, I remember one time a guy came to see me, he was trying to get his Ph.D. and he just kept procrastinating. He couldn't seem to get it. And he started having a you know, there was a when he called a deadline. And so one of the things I remember saying to him all those years ago was, look, look, part of why you're procrastinating is because there's nobody in your life, right. To make you accountable for, you know, you got to do this. You go do that. So in in your journal, you can begin to develop a dialog with God and you can do that in your spirit. If you if you would just be quiet and in and again, turn off everything. This was the same process that I use when I sit down to write and then just begin to write what you hear. Okay? And the Lord will meet you. I mean, that's just the best way I know how to say it. And that is one powerful way to develop your spirit is again practicing the presence of God being quiet so that you can receive and just being diligent to be, you know, to have that have a small amount of time worked out. You don't have to don't go from nothing to like, I'm going to do this for an hour. They'll never work for me. You'll never sustain that. But just, you know, 10 minutes. I did it today because I heard, you know, I could hear the spirits in a room. Want you to stop. You need to set some time aside to pray for what's happening over seas right now. Right. And so I did. And and even though it's a short amount of time, you know, I felt strengthened by that because, again, I knew, you know, something that I can see that the Lord wanted me to do. So developing your spirit, really, it's about making a choice to set time aside, to write out whatever you think. Look, if you don't think you're hearing anything, just open your Bible and write out a scripture, a favorite scripture. And then. Then, then my my advice would be to allow to say spirit. You know, maybe I would say, Dorinda, listen, now listen, Dorinda, with your spirit and speak that word of God straight to the know again, don't make it like a seminary class. Do one, three or four verse scripture be done right. I'll most days and nurture my spirit and development. Keep my spirit, you know. Good. But some 23 billion years ago and honestly, you know who doesn't need to hear whose spirit doesn't need to hear every day the Lord is my shepherd. And then today, when I got to the part about even though I walked through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil. I thought, Boy, I need you. I really needed it because I've been watching the news too much lately. And I started feeling some anxiety and I knew it was because I'm thinking too much. That prophet. Part of me really just think, think, think, think, think, think, think. And the mercy is not made that way. And so the words like, you need to quit watching all that stuff. I mean, you watch a little, but you need to major not major on the news. You need to major on what I'm telling you. So that is how you develop your spirit. You don't make it complicated and whatever. Listen, whatever brings pleasure to your soul. You know, I used to say this in class. I'll say it here. I'd say, You know what I left out of earrings? Do I have enough? Right? Of course I have enough earrings. I do not need to buy another earrings, but not too many years after I started doing this, Destiny, I felt like the Lord said, You want to go to Penney's, don't you? You want to go. And you know, you just want to go to the jewelry department, like turn the turnstiles, right? And then I realized the Lord was saying, Dorinda, you like beauty and you're a mercy that's nurturing your spirit. I mean, it's. Is that all this nurturing your spirit? You know, I mean, there's different aspects of who we are. We don't need to be religious. So I remember going to this. I don't think about anything that time. But, you know, I you know, when I looked at all the pretty earrings, you know, there are so many earrings. It's amazing. I love them. I was looking for some tonight. So anyway, there's there's a lot of different ways to develop. But learning who you are, getting the book, finding out who you are, what your characteristics are, what kind of things for better, for lack of a better way of saying turn you on that are good things, right? Helps you to develop because then you can into that you don't feel guilty anymore right? For me, I went away a few years ago. I went up to Mentone, Alabama by myself for three nights. I think because you had learned I was a prophet, it was okay. So I took, you know, took a few days off and started the bed and breakfast and walked around. I love being alone. I mean, I don't want to be alone all the time. But I you know, I've been very, very and I think some all that helps me to develop my identity and my sense of confidence in who I am. I hope that answers that. It does. And also just kind of it's like it reconfirms one of the things I'm doing now because be a teacher, I teach, I teach as my profession, I teach. And but then on the other side, I feel like I have an opportunity. I feel like you were saying earlier, like you feel like you can being weary of your profession now this last minute. Yes, ma'am. But then I said, Now give me this like podcast, talking to other people, teaching me something to me that great other people are like, Yeah, yes, yeah, God is so good that way. He because he wants you to. He wants to, he wants pour life into you. But and I think, you know, I don't know you as well as I know some others, but I would like to say this about you somehow, somewhere and you respond to this. You know, you got the memo in the memo, God's kingdom operates this way. Honestly, Destiny, your spirit has conceived this. I'm convinced of it. When you're in God's kingdom. This is what This is how God works. You want something to render. You want something Destiny you give to others what you want, and I will give to you. KING David experienced. You know, he went to the Cave of the Dome. Souls running after him, trying to kill him. And all these people joined him in the cave and he ended up ministering to all of these men when he, of all people needed ministry. But he was faithful to God. He ministered to those men. They ended up becoming leaders under him later, right when he ascended the throne. But, you know, so many times are so I mean, this would be a beautiful way to end this today, because our soul is like, wait, wait, I'm tired. You know, I was really getting burned out with counseling. Enjoyed it, but I was getting tired of it. Well, God knew I needed a little help. And so he provided that by connecting me to this revelation. But he expected me to go to work. And so I did. And that does make me different from others in that I chose to do something with it instead of just receiving from it. Follow me and in your spirit you are it possessed God in you. That's the part that puts great value on giving to other people, not just receiving. Oftentimes, our soul is always trying to get what we think we deserve. And, you know, so-and-so's messed with me is I deserve this and I'm entitled to that. Okay. You know, there are things that happen to us shouldn't, but we can't hang out there because God in the redeeming this man. And that's what this is all about. It's about taking. Yeah. Mean, you know, I don't again, I don't know you all that well, but I know you've had some lasts and you know you could hang out and make that your identity the rest of your life and you'd have friends because there's a lot of people that do that and everybody they join. But that's that you're that's not that's why we're doing this. You have gotten the memo so you're going to be like, okay, well, I have some things I would like to change, but I'm going to I'm going to press in. We're going to we're going to make we're going to make life a new life and new understandings available for other people. And then God's going to do it for you. You know what I mean? Yes, ma'am. And as I use on this podcast, I do have a quick fire around for you. Yes. Here's our first question. For some young writers listening, what is one? Yes. You would give them on their author journey? I've said it, but I will say it again. I knew how to repeat myself. Get, allow, wrote it, get alone and quiet, turn off distractions and just start writing what you Hear? What book do you recommend for authors or writers to read? I'm going to again stick my neck out the two books, but mainly the first one. It's called Blessing Your Spirit. God wants these writers to be big spirited writers. He wants them to be big spirited people because then when they are, they will know what their purpose is. And purpose would be the thing that would position them to write about the thing that God's anointed them to write. So blessing your spirit again, it's a book's been out for at least 15 years. It's by Arthur Burke and Sylvia Gunter. Again, the title is simply Blessing Your Spirit. You can get it on Amazon.$15, I think. And where can people connect with you, right? Dorinda Gorg is my website. I'm also on Facebook under my name Dorinda Trick. I'm also on Instagram under my name, and then my email and my emails. A little different. Strict Dorinda at Gmail, which is it also appears on the lips and that's how awesome. Thank you so much to Mrs. Dorinda for joining my podcast and come back. We have some other conversations. I love it. Thank you so much. Destiny. By the next time everyone listening, you. 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